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Obama's View on Gay Marriage

I've heard a LOT of people say that Obama is against Gay Marriage. A lot. This is wrong.

To clarify:

My view is that we should try to disentangle what has historically been the issue of the word "marriage," which has religious connotations to some people, from the civil rights that are given to couples, in terms of hospital visitation, in terms of whether or not they can transfer property or Social Security benefits and so forth. So it depends on how the bill would've come up. I would've supported and would continue to support a civil union that provides all the benefits that are available for a legally sanctioned marriage. And it is then, as I said, up to religious denominations to make a determination as to whether they want to recognize that as marriage or not.
-Barack Obama, 2007 HRC/LOGO debate on gay issues Aug 9, 2007

To sum up: He believes in a total separation of church and state, saying that the government should grant "civil unions" to any couple, and churches can grant "marriages" as they please.

Which.. y'know, makes sense. If religious/bigoted assholes want to get the panties in a twist over the term "marriage" then fine, whatever. The legal protections that the civil institution offers should be available to all tho. Nice solution if you ask me.


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5th Nov, 2008 22:58 (UTC)
I would actually love for it to work that way.

I was generally rather blase about the notion of marriage until I considered how hard some people are fighting to get rights that I could have even if we weren't officially wedded. It's ridiculous, but those rights should be available for all couples.
5th Nov, 2008 23:11 (UTC)

I actually feel the institution of marriage has been cheaped by prop 8 + 102.

I feel that the paper Miriam and I have is now something of a symbol for bigotry. It's sad.
5th Nov, 2008 23:14 (UTC)
I couldn't have phrased it better myself.
6th Nov, 2008 02:18 (UTC)
Oh no, but we can't have that, because "separation of church and state" doesn't mean that the church can't tell the state what to do, only that the state can't tell the church what to do.

Good god. These people try to pin everything on a "homosexual agenda" (without noticing how much of it sounds an awful lot like someone concerned about a "Zionist conspiracy" 60-70 years ago), and yet they're the ones who are trying to force their religious views on everyone else. The "homosexual agenda" is nothing more than to live with the same rights and privileges as the rest of the population. What on earth is so sinister about that?
6th Nov, 2008 02:29 (UTC)
Then someone forgot to tell Biden ...
... cuz I flat-out watched and heard him tell Charlie Gibson that both he *and* Obama were against gay marriage.

EDIT: I believe that Biden stated that he and Obama 'do not support gay marriage'. I personally take it as meaning the same thing as being against it, but for those wanting to split straws, I thought I would clarify this l'il bit. :-)

And the quote listed was not an outright advocation for gay marriage but, rather, simply that he wouldn't personally stand in it's way (while indicating that he wouldn't get in the way of the Church, should they disagree)

EDIT: additionally, nowhere did I read him supporting an actual martrimonial union in any context other than traditional, but rather offering to support unions with the same benefits as a traditional marriage. Again, this is not the same thing.

Sorry, I don't consider this the same as being *for* gay marriage.

Edited at 2008-11-06 02:36 (UTC)
6th Nov, 2008 06:18 (UTC)
Re: Then someone forgot to tell Biden ...
What you have to remember is that the debates are a game. He couldn't say he was for it. Sadly, but that is the country right now.

However given his previous statements on the issue and that quote above (which says that we should take the thorny term "marriage" out of both sides of the equation) I think that they (specifically Obama) are for what most people who are for gay marriage would call gay marriage - ie, equality with straight couples in rights and privileges.
6th Nov, 2008 06:34 (UTC)
Re: Then someone forgot to tell Biden ...
I really wish that Biden hadn't said ANYTHING, for or against. I still have this bad feeling that what he *did* say kinda affected how folx voted for things. I just can't see how 'not supporting gay marriage' could be taken as being supportive.

And therein is what really makes this a great country (or at least in the spirit that it was founded in), inwhich we can havea healthy discussion/debate on such issues w.o being thrown in jail, or worse :-)

Straight, gay ... mawwiage is mawwiage! To state that one should have the same *rights* as the other still doesn't mean that it shall be viewed as a proper marriage. A 'legally-recognized civil union' while still not being referred to as out-n-out (damn these puns!) marriage, just isn't the same.

Just makes me wanna run around and egg all of the 'Yes on 8' sigsn still plaguing the town :-P
6th Nov, 2008 06:20 (UTC)
That's all well and good as long as the government decides that no one is married and everyone (hetero- or homosexual) has only a civil union in the eyes of the government.

But, the thing is, those who are saying this civil union thing are saying they want "marriage" for heterosexuals and "civil unions" for homosexuals. And that's wrong. Because then civil union has to be defined and guess what happens. Civil unions end up not being as beneficial as marriages.

Personally, they just need to say everyone is allowed to marry on the civil level no matter what gender the person you want to marry is and all those marriages have the same benefits and then leave the ceremonial stuff to the churches.

And my mind is a little bit blown that my stance on gay marriage is so simple and Obama's is so convoluted. There's something wrong there.
6th Nov, 2008 06:25 (UTC)
I'm aware of that and yes I agree, I also think that is what is being said in that quote.

Which is why I posted it ;)
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