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Trouble at Home

...or where I used to call home at least.

There's a lot of fuss apparently in the UK right now about Scotland wanting to be independent. If you want to read a rather slanted op-ed piece about it check out this interesting but arrogant take on it from one of the writers at The Telegraph.

Does this mean the death of the Union? No more United Kingdom? Does anyone really care?

Scotland wants England out of its domestic affairs, which is fair enough, as long as it gets out of England's. It can't have it both ways. If Scotland removes itself from the Union then most of the people down in Westminster are out of a job.

Seriously. It's like... at least a 1/3 of the Labour party.

What makes more sense just adding an English parliament, and keeping Westminster as a parliament of the Union. Strangely they have that system in the USA... it's the state system.

We had it in the UK, sort of, but the addition of the Scottish and Welsh parliaments screwed it up. The addition by Labour.... doh!

So something has to give. Removing itself from the Union would be epically dumb on Scotland's part: not only would it lose all the money that it's getting (proportionally more per person than in England), it would lose University funding (again, more than England), defense forces, the NHS, etc, etc.

Much better to fix the system than devolve to chest-thumping patriotic policies. But we'll see politics in the UK is pretty pathetic right now, so I have no faith of it being sensible.

If it ever was...


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16th Nov, 2007 10:58 (UTC)
I think that a case has been/can be made to support Scottish independence.

However, before you reply telling me how dumb it is, I don't think it would work either.

I see how condescending English papers/politicians are towards Scotland and it is very irritating. They paint it in broad strokes as being a backwater. And so it is, in many places. But that doesn't mean that it follows that the people are stupid or worthless in those backwaters.

Scottish independence won't happen. Regardless of how much noise the Scottish MPs make, the general idea I get from speaking to people is that it's a lot of hot air. I have yet to hear from any Scots in Aberdeenshire or other points not Edinburgh that this is a good idea.
16th Nov, 2007 17:35 (UTC)
Oh I think the coverage of it is just plain disrespectful on both sides, but the most arrogant and poisonous articles are in the English tabloids... I have nothing against Scotland myself either, so those attitudes are obvious and distasteful to me too.

And I agree - Scotland could be independent, it would survive, it just has no reason to, it will do better in the Union.

I also agree it's a lot of hot air, but I think it actually has more to do with England than Scotland - as I said, England needs a parliament of its own now... otherwise tensions like this could grow. It seems the most obvious way forward anyhow...

16th Nov, 2007 14:37 (UTC)
I love Scotland and the Scots, but that does sound slightly mad.

I hope you are doing well. :)
18th Nov, 2007 11:13 (UTC)
Dave's 2 cents
The situation we have right now just isnt democratic. Scottish MP's have a say in English affairs but not the other way around. And yes there is a lot of jingoism in the press and from scottish nationalists but especially on the english side, the scots are harldy any better.
Here is a simple sports example. Any time a scottish team faces someone they should by rights loose to, the english support them as a home nation and cause we love the under dog. Any time England face anybody the scots support "anyone but england"
Simple and i hate to bring down to sport but this shows the
Well you know what, fuck you. England will be fine on her own. In fact we would be better off
If Scotland were given full independence they would be one of the poorest nations in the EU. That north sea oil aint gonna last forever and then what will you do? There are two ways this could go.
1. rebuild Hadrians wall and let the skirt wearing poofs get on with being poor.
2. get rid of the undemocratic, overly expensive, overly bureaucratic scottish parliament and retake the empire for the glory of her majesty the queen.(ok overly dramatic but you get the point)

The UK is greater than the sum of its parts
My solution
18th Nov, 2007 19:07 (UTC)
Re: Dave's 2 cents
Well.. you forget 3 - get an English parliament.

But yes, there is an attitude problem... on both sides.
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