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Happy Plastic Paddy Day

America is fucking insane about "I once smelt Irish Whiskey so I'm Offically Irish" Day.

Just don't get me started... the first time someone pinches me on St Pads for not wearing Green is the day I get arrested for beating someone with a nice Orange traffic cone "because I'm English and it's symbolic."


(previously posted as a comment in ms_violet's journal)


17th Mar, 2006 20:46 (UTC)
Why's it such a bad thing?
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17th Mar, 2006 21:59 (UTC)
Wtf? Pinching? Must be some weird US thing, cause in Australia St Paddy's Day is about celebrating your Irish heritage. Sure people get drunk, but it's Australia.

Here in France, it's about celebrating Irish culture. The French LOVE to discover new cultures, and something like St Patrick's Day is just what they love to do with Irish music in the pubs and food and dancing and all sorts of stuff.
18th Mar, 2006 10:42 (UTC)
Yeah, the pinching thing is just stupid. Kids victimising each other is a wierd tradition..

It's stuff like that which prompted the "America is insane" part of the post.
18th Mar, 2006 10:46 (UTC)
Never heard of it before! How fucking weird. I guess in Australia if a kid did that the other kid would just deck them.
18th Mar, 2006 10:54 (UTC)
Yup! I thought I go the more symbolic route for humours sake in my post tho! ;)
18th Mar, 2006 10:09 (UTC)
St Pads? There's nothing intrinsicly bad about it. It's just... over the top.

Maybe the post sounds more grumpy than I actually am about it - I have nothing against using it as an excuse to have a good time (though the pinching thing is stupid). I just ended up seeing 30 consecutive posts on my friends list about it, and so this comment came out after that.

I DO think it's wierd to just use St Pads as an excuse for it, you don't see that happen with any other saint. It's an odd situation. Eventually St Patrick will also be the patron saint of whiskey! ;)
18th Mar, 2006 10:20 (UTC)
But it's a celebration of Ireland and all things Irish. As St Patrick is the patron saint of Ireland, then it's as good a day as any. Sure it came about from the Irish Catholic immigrants to the US wanting a day in which they could really celebrate their heritage, but to me that's great.

No problem with a bunch of posts in my friend's list, people like St Patrick's Day, it makes people smile to hear all the jokes abou leprechauns and lucky charms and Guinness.

Your post was one of vitriolic criticism of people doing something harmless that they enjoy. Stinks of elitism to me.
18th Mar, 2006 10:38 (UTC)
Correction: it should be a celebration of Ireland and all things Irish. I never said I had anything against that.

However what I was complaining about was that for many people it's a token gesture at best, at worst it's just an excuse to get drunk. That's not celebrating Ireland, Irishness, or anything else. If anything that sort of behavior increases the perception of stereotypes and is damaging.

That is if you want to read into it a lot. Frankly, all I was doing was making a joke pointing out the over-the-top nature of the "celebrations" and the fact that I'm English so its doubly pointless for me, technically.

There was no serious intent behind any of it.
18th Mar, 2006 10:44 (UTC)
at worst it's just an excuse to get drunk

That could be said for *any* day in which some form of celebration occurs. Hell one of my relatives (now dead) used Christmas as an excuse to get totally blatted.

Yeah it can push stereotypes to the bad extreme, but then the same can be said for football supporters, but I think most people realise that in that case it's a minority who act like that. Just like on St Paddy's it's a minority who get pissed, and break shit all in the name of Ireland!

I can't think too straight, right now, so my debating skills are down slightly. This is because I've got Tirian and we're playing Guess Who? at the same time. o_O
18th Mar, 2006 10:58 (UTC)
Ah, but if I was to ask you to do an indenti-kit you'd be fine? ;)

Yes any celebration can be used as that, but it seems that the vast majority use St Pads for that. Certainly the most visible celbrations anyhow, with a lot of people defending it. At least in football you get people decrying the idiots, or doing something about them - they aren't acceptable.

With St Pads it's not only acceptable, it's defended. That's why it leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Even though I have nothing against the idea of it, the actuallity of it is less than ideal.
18th Mar, 2006 10:27 (UTC)
This belongs here:

And before that other person who blasted someone in the comments here replies to me:
1. Sod off and don't bother;
2. Greg and I debate shit like this all the time;
3. Sod off again.
18th Mar, 2006 19:15 (UTC)
piss off, yourself ;)
18th Mar, 2006 19:20 (UTC)
I said sod, not piss. *hurt feelings*

18th Mar, 2006 19:24 (UTC)
Re: Ghehe
couldn't remember which was worse, sorry!