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One of the most interesting and admirable things I think about whiskeygirl8 is that, while she doesn't have the same opinions as me on many things. She is willing to talk, or even debate them, reasonably and without anger or emotional upheaval.

Not that we've done that recently, but its a point in her favour. Also, its a point in sisiphus's favour too.

The internet is one of those things that brings up a lot of negative "debate" tactics. Usually called "flaming row" or "raging argument". Religion sparks it a lot. Now I'm not religious, I find the idea fits in my head like a square peg in a hole that is not only the wrong shape, but on a different plane of existance. Thats fine. I'm not religious, but I respect it in other people. Thats their belief system and, as long as it doesn't affect me, or harm others... then they can do what they want.

Politics sparks it up as well, and whilke I am political I find that most of my political opinions fall so widely from one another that as soon as I read anything poltical I either get bored or get annoyed. Mostly however personal politics doesn't really affect me online. Most people class me as "left" which is funny, because I find most people who take sides to be annoying... so generally I stay out of political discussions.

Of cource posting a biased opinion as fact in a public forum generally is inviting debate, but even then unless I can contribute effectively or at least have a fleshed out case -- I won't debate their point. If someone is quoting incorrect facts (or, more usually, half-truths as fact), and I know the correct ones, I'll say so. If they dont' want to listen to me, fine, but when you argue with flawed reasoning then you cease to make much sense. I'll listen, up to a point, but don't expect me to treat you any differently to how you treat me.

I guess the point I'm trying to make in a very rambling, disjointed way is this: I don't care what your political views are, I don't care about your faith, I care about you being rational, civil human beings. I may disagree with you, I may not like what you say. I will not however get pissed at you for saying your opinion in a sensible way.

I honestly don't see why so many people have a problem with just doing that...

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elsh
22nd Apr, 2005 02:53 (UTC)
"I don't care what your political views are, I don't care about your faith, I care about you being rational, civil human beings. I may disagree with you, I may not like what you say. I will not however get pissed at you for saying your opinion in a sensible way."

Exactly. People are such children online because they can remain anonymous and they don't know they're stupid and childish. I have finally, after all this time on LJ, able to remain unaffected by whatever someone says to me. That is, if they aren't a friend or anyone I know. I used to get upset, even not that long ago, when I was bullied online or someone left me a gratuitously rude/stupid note. Now I just ignore it because they have issues and I'm not online to argue with people who just like to argue for the sake of arguing. Anyway, I hate political posts as well. I do not much care about religion or politics and people making aggressive statements on such things can be so irritating. Just recently I went off on my sister a tiny bit because she was writing that anyone who didn't accept that they needed God must be confused, and that people don't want to admit it but that we all need God. It just got to me to the point of making a comment because that's sort of rude. She's calling me and whoever else is reading who isn't religious, confused and it's almost patronising. Anyway, I've rambled and gone off on a tangent. I'm not even sure I'm making sense anymore.
darkcryst
22nd Apr, 2005 09:39 (UTC)
Yeah, its actually confusion on the part of the other person in that case, its like "I need this, therefore all people must need this"

*bzzzt* wrong answer! You fail to win the holiday for four to the bahama's!
miriammiriam
22nd Apr, 2005 06:46 (UTC)
Rational thinking makes baby Jesus cry.
darkcryst
22nd Apr, 2005 10:16 (UTC)
Yeah.. the religious right are the worst for it.

Never really worked out why. I mean you'd think you would get just as many vocal crazy atheist lefties... and while you do get some, you don't get as many. Seemingly anyhow.
whiskeygirl8
23rd Apr, 2005 16:32 (UTC)
I honestly don't see why so many people have a problem with just doing that...

I don't, either. For one thing, if a person is truly trying to change someone's mind, using logic, reason and being civil are the best ways to get someone to listen to you. Using rhetoric, insults and being an ass will make the other person automatically stop listening. So, you really aren't getting your ideas out there and you certainly aren't changing anyone's mind.

Thank you for the compliment. :) I try. I usually have no problems with you and others on my flist because you are all the same--you speak your mind in a civil, respectful manner. No matter if you think it or not, you would never tell me I'm stupid and ignorant because I voted for Bush.
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